So in my daughters (10) class they use g-docs. Which is fine, I guess.
I share most of @lightweight 's disdain for the entire way this is organized systemically, but that's not what this post is about.
She told me they have a problem where *someone* keeps deleting work from other students. They work all day, and then some kid is deleting documents.
I did a little digging and it turns out...
ALL THE KIDS ARE USING THE TEACHERS' GOOGLE ACCOUNT.
Yup ~30 kids, sharing a single account with no sec
Apparently they've had a couple of class assemblies where the teacher has reiterated that it's a punishable offense. But obviously they have no actual way of tracking anyone.
She's a little bit of a rule follower, and can't really understand why someone would continue to do it over and over knowing it's not allowed.
I stopped short of actively encouraging her to burn the whole thing down/commit identity theft but I kinda think the school is getting what they deserve on this one.
This is like saying we should abolish car safety standards because speeding is the primary cause of injury/accidents, and the root of the problem is people making antisocial choices.
I dunno, I was definitely a lot younger than 10 when figured out that not everyone in the class/school/group is trustworthy. That held true in every classroom ever.
In any given group of 10 yearolds there's probably going to be one or two who are not-so-good at following the rules.
@taylan Even "good" kids do stupid things *constantly*. Heck, I once threw rocks through every window of a caravan just because it was there. Showing off? Misguided act of defiance? Honestly I can't remember.
When it comes to system design, it's a mistake to build something around the way people/users "should" behave, when you have direct evidence of how they actually *do* behave.
Any system -computer or otherwise- should be resilient to the types of abuse/attacks it's likely to encounter
@zyk With computer-competent people teaching, would it be hard to teach kids to use a basic subset of git, any text-based VCS? It might be the threshold concept, the gateway, to getting everyone into decent, light-weight text-based work with computers. People would feel comfortable working in an ecology that lets them avoid heavy Office software. It might empower kids with no internet connection and ancient computers too: work with usb sticks...
Yeah I think so.
The most empowering thing you can teach a kid about using computers is that it's impossible to fuck the machine completely. Go nuts, try things - see what happens.
Obviously you need someone competent to help them out when they get stuck, but you really need to let them experiment with the thing and get some ideas.
From there I reckon it's as simple as feeding the curiosity and providing tools (like git) when they find a problem/use-case it'll solve.
Rather than showing them something complex and technical upfront and making them learn a bunch of theory, you take them on a journey where they end up needing a tool to solve a problem, then you provide the tooling. Kids learn all kinds of complicated stuff when they're interested in it.
I think a lot of kids that end up hating STEM would latch onto math/science/computers if it was taught this way instead of "now kids, open your textbooks to page 5, today we're learning about $topic even though none of you can understand why anyone would want/need to know about it in adult life.
(algebra, physics, compsci, etc)
@DrAli our kids all have their own, too... but I'm not very pleased about it for the reasons I explain here: https://davelane.nz/explainer-digitech-risks-school-boards I don't think our Min of Ed is doing its job with regard to digitech throughout the education system. @zyk
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